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June 26, 2008 / Nick

An Inconvenient Truth: Baptism in Jesus Name


The meaning of ‘in the name’…

Advocates of the Triune formula of baptism based solely on Mat. 28:19 argue against the Jesus name formula for baptism by saying that ‘in the name of Jesus’ does not mean that the baptiser needs to say the name of Jesus in baptism, rather it is just meaning that they are baptising the candidate ‘in the authority of Jesus’.

However, if this argument is valid then it is equally true that baptism ‘in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost’ (Mat. 28:19) also only means in the authority of the Father, Son & Holy Ghost and therefore we do not need to repeat the formula ‘In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost’ either. This would leave us without any formula that needed to be said!


In ‘the name of’ does indeed mean in the authority of the person whose name is called. But, the name of the person involved needs to also be called. Which is why the Apostles invoked Jesus’ Name over candidates e.g. Acts 2:38. Also, in Acts 19 Paul invokes the Name of Jesus over his candidates.

Despite the critics of baptism in Jesus Name, such as carm.org and Tom Brown Ministries (both of which do a terrible job justifying why we shouldn’t baptise in Jesus’ Name) the scripture remains crystal clear that the name of Jesus was always the way in which the Apostles baptised, for they knew that salvation was in none other than Jesus (Acts. 4:12).

This is the inconvenient truth for ‘orthodox’ Christianity. Baptism into the Trinitarian formula is not once found in the Bible, because the Apostles understood that salvation was in Jesus’ Name.

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28 Comments

  1. Mike / Nov 13 2008 6:52 pm

    It’s always interesting to read the views from the “other” side of the Pentecostal aisle. I personally am AoG, my wife is UPCI. I believe members on both sides are saved (or born again, or have received the Holy Ghost; take your pick as to the terminology). And yes, we both have received the Baptism in the Holy Ghost. But this water baptism thing is a hot topic, to be sure.

    However…

    “Baptism into the Trinitarian formula is not once found in the Bible…”. It might not be in Acts (at least not explicitly), true enough. But what about Matthew 28:19?

    But I digress. The fact is you are correct in stating, “This would leave us without any formula that needed to be said!” To any who would argue that the correct “formula” were the one in Matthew, I would also object. To believe that our salvation hung on the words spoken during baptism is, in my estimation, misguided. Believing that we affect God by words alone borders on paganism.

    For example, if doing something “in the Name of” implied the words spoken, the sons of Sceva would still have their clothes. It is not the words spoken that gives the power, it is the Spirit, Who has been given to us through the atonement of Christ.

    Christ came to show us plainly the Father: on that we can agree. The Law had its regulations. The Son of God fulfilled those regulations and gave us life. To do things “in the Name of” means “by the authority of”. There is no clear-cut “formula” of words, only the “formula” of belief and repentance. (That said, I grant that many of “orthodox” Christianity misunderstand this. Repentance is turning from sin and turning to obedience, not just saying sorry. We are called to make disciples, not converts).

    Anyways, those are just my thoughts on the issue. Peace in Christ.

  2. higdon / Dec 1 2008 5:15 am

    Praise God! I am convince in this explanation. now, i can stand and prove to them that Jesus is the correct formula in terms of baptism..

    God bless you all…

    I’m from Philippines and I am apostolic believer..

  3. mark / Dec 7 2008 5:37 pm

    Your little video is a perfect example of scripture-twisting. One is saved by faith in what Jesus did, not by anything you do, including baptism. Baptism, no matter how it’s done, is a work. You people ought to get right.

    • jesusblogger / Dec 8 2008 2:01 pm

      That the scriptures clearly teach baptism in Jesus’ name, that the historical record clearly shows baptism in Jesus’ name to have been the forumla used by the Apostles and early church can hardly be seen as scripture twisting.

      Did not 1 Peter say: “the likefigure whereunto baptism doth now save us”, did not the book of Acts speak of baptism washing away and remitting sin. Did Jesus himself not speak of he that believeth and is baptised being saved?

      Baptism is a demonstration of faith, just as Abraham has to demonstrate his faith by enacting the sign of the covenant, likewise baptism is a demonstration of faith.

      Faith without works is dead.

    • Sharpie / Feb 14 2010 4:37 am

      Totally agree with this. What difference does it make? Find something legitimate to complain about, such as child abuse, animal abuse, poverty, etc. Harping on people for not being baptized correctly is a giant waste of time that does not in any way benefit God’s kingdom.

  4. Mike / Dec 17 2008 3:53 pm

    1 Peter does in fact have that quote, but there are portions before and after that, too. These verses are from 1 Peter, as translated in NKJV:

    18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
    19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
    20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
    21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
    22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

    Read verse 21 carefully: it is not the actual act of baptism that saves us. It is absolutely commanded, and you correct to bring to our remembrance that faith without works is dead. But it is the “answer of a good conscience”. How can we have a “good conscience” unless we have already been regenerated by His Blood? Rituals – even Scripturally mandated ones – are not what saves us. Let’s not forget Ephesians 2:8-9:

    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
    9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

    Is baptism a “work”, or is it not?

    Also consider from 1 Corinthians 1:

    10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
    11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you.
    12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.”
    13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
    14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
    15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.
    16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other.
    17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

    Why is it that we insist of separating ourselves over these sorts of issues? If Baptism was the saving “act”, why, in verse 17, does Paul say that he came not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel?

    It seems to me that the baptism that is spoken of in 1 Peter is not the water – “not the removal of filth from the flesh” – but is actually what is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:

    12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
    13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
    14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.

    Peace to you, brother, even if we disagree. But still I pray what Christ prayed: “Father, may they be one, even as we are One.”

  5. Mike / Dec 17 2008 4:05 pm

    One other point I wanted to mention in regard to the book of Acts. Whenever it mentions that baptism is “for the remission of sins”, the word “for” is the Greek word “eis”. “Eis” typically means “because of” or “with a view towards”.

    Again, is baptism commanded? Absolutely. Will someone who is truly born again seek to be baptized? I would question his “experience” otherwise. Is water baptism what truly saves us? I still maintain it is not.

    It might seem to be splitting doctrinal hairs; if it is commanded regardless, then just do it instead of debating it. But I do believe that there is a real danger when we start putting our faith in acts of obedience, rather than the Blood of Christ. Why did He shed His Blood if all it took was saying the right words when someone pushed us underwater?

    • John / May 22 2009 7:43 pm

      Bro Mike,
      I thank GOD for all that is being talked about on this site. I’m with you in praying that we get on one accord in our witness of who GOD is and what he wants us to do according to HIS will. I try to convince myself that I am neither Trinitarian nor Oneness, but I have always identified with the Apostolic church. Now, in my studies I have seen what you are talking about. In my heart of hearts I sometimes question the actual intent of each sripture as it was written. I love the idea of our acts meaning nothing toward what GOD does for us in salvation. Can that come to mean that I am not bound to love, be faithful or anything else “thou shall” or “thou shall not?” I know that it is kind of out of the way, but it’s just my though process.
      I’m a brother that was born in a Baptist family. I was baptized in the name(s) of the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT. Again, there were always questions that when I did come in contact with the doctrine of Oneness, I felt comfort. This started more of a search that allowed me to be baptized in JESUS’ name.
      This is the part that I’m going to get hammered for. I worship with both Trinies and Onesies with a free spirit. Not many agree, but I’m not ready to be the authority sending those that see the deity of the CHRIST to hell. I am ordained by the PAW, but served with COGIC in a couple of countries and even was a part of two “non-denoms” (with Baptist and a Baptist/COGIC background).
      Everything that I’ve done was to be in line with the text. Being on both sides does that negate the other? If it does then there are more unforgiveable sins that were told to us in scripture. If not then, HALLELUJAH- I’m covered! I’m rambling, so her it is- If there is no harm in NOT being baptized as many say, what is the harm in it? When someone questions my salvation I don’t see it as an attack on my faith, but insecurites in their own. When a Trinitarian says that I’m not saved because I was baptized in JESUS’ name I scratch my head. Why? Because they just told me baptism is just an outward show.

      Bro, we do need to get it together. We’re losing souls while arguing against each other.

      Grace and Peace

  6. Bozz / Dec 18 2008 11:55 pm

    “Becuase of” baptism in Jesus name.,.. We receive fleshly burial.. Rom6:1-6
    The simplist fact: Envoking ‘JESUS’ during baptism was the practice.
    All the church obeyed Jesus Matt 28:19 .,… He stated to baptize in the NAME (singular).. note the greek titles & not the names given. also note… NO other NAME given to man for salvation… That the NAME of Jesus all… When you gave in my NAME… I mean I can go on & on… In John’s gospel Jesus stated HE made light the NAme the Father gaved Him. In Hebrew-Jesus means YAVAH-SHUA; In Aramiac-ESHOO means the same.. It’s so simple but yet so complicated due to the Vatican spirit in the church. Well God bless..

  7. steve / Jan 2 2009 9:32 pm

    Those who state that you need to call upon the name of the lord (which is a work or action in itself) and who is Lord of all-Jesus, according to Acts 10:36; and ask for forgiveness and Jesus to enter their heart are truly twisting or wresting the bible to their own destruction. These virgins with no oil or spirit and how do you receive the Holy spirit by faith and obedience-James ch2 and Mark 16:16. To believe is to obey water baptism in Jesus name is a commandment by Jesus (Luke 24:45-47, Mark 16:16, and Math 28:18-19 all state this and again Jesus said He came in the fathers name John 5:43 and his name was Jesus Math 1:21 and the Holy ghost or Holy spirit came in his name John 14:26 – remember there are three that bear record in heaven the spirit the father and the word and all three are one and the selfsame one! According to 1 John 5:7. And 1 John 5:8 states we need the blood of Christ Jesus (Heb 10:22) thru the water baptism in Jesus Name (Whatever you do in word or deed do all in Jesus name Col 3:17 and though we are saved by Grace thru faith we are also created unto good works unto the glory of the father Eph 2:8-11. His grace needs to be reflect in our life in order for it to true. Remember Moses his face was a shining because of the association he had with God on the mount- a example of grace. And Noah would of drowned had he not built the ark- an example of faith and works together or combined.) is the way we receive God’s spirit. Just as Jesus our example in all thing was BAPTIZED not sprinkled as the word Baptizo in Greek means immersion to fulfill all RIGHTEOUSNESS or not to ask us to do something he had not done. Peter who had the keys to the KINGDOM baptized over three thousand in Jesus name(Acts 2:38)and Paul the GREATEST preacher yet was BAPTIZED in Jesus name (Acts 22:16). So like those who say LORD, LORd did we not teach, preach and heal as well as do many wonderful works in your name yet were not Baptized in Jesus name and seen as sinners by God in that day. The theif died on the cross before the Great commission. Neither did Jesus Pray the sinners prayer. Your time and mine is short before the return of Jesus so now is the day and time to get Baptized in Jesus name- We don’t have tommorrow…

  8. SATISH BABU / Feb 14 2009 8:03 am

    praise the lord jesus christ, i saw your web site and we are very happy about your service for acts 2:38. here in india (from 2004 to) we are pereaching baptism in the name of jesus christ .my age is 24 and we have a small group in hindu area.pray for us..grace be with you.amen.my personal cell.no. is 0091-9908490506 your brother,APOSTLE SATISH, D.No.3-250 , PEDAKAKANI – 522509 ,A.P. , SOUTH INDIA .Cell : 9908490506

    • jesusblogger / Feb 16 2009 10:27 pm

      Satish, you are very young to be an Apostle? How did the Lord call you?

  9. Luz / May 24 2009 3:34 am

    Evidence in history for Jesus name only
    The following is a true record of a Baptism which took place in Rome A.D. 100 and was reproduced in TIME magazine, December 5, 1955.

    “The deacon raised his hand, and Publius Decius stepped through the baptistry door. Standing waist-deep in the pool was Marcus Vasca the woodseller. He was smiling as Publius waded into the pool beside him. ‘Credis?’ he asked. ‘Credo,’ responded Publius. ‘I believe that my salvation comes from Jesus the Christ, Who was crucified under Pontius Pilate. With Him I died that with Him I may have Eternal Life.’ Then he felt strong arms supporting him as he let himself fall backward into the pool, and heard Marcus’ voice in his ear —- ‘I baptize you in the Name of the Lord Jesus’ —- as the cold water closed over him.”

    Schaff-herzog Encyclopaedia of Religious Knowledge
    Volume 1, page 435–1966 edition

    “The New Testament knows only baptism in the name of Jesus… which still occurs even in the second and third centuries”

    Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics
    Edited by James Hastings
    Volume 2, page 384–1958 edition
    under Method of Baptism

    “The formula used was ‘in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ’ or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the triune name.”

    The Encyclopaedia Britannica
    Volume 3, page 365 and 368 –1910 edition

    under The Baptismal Formula, page 365
    “The trinitarian formula and triune immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning, nor did they always go together.”

    under Origin of Christian Baptism, page 368

    “We gather from Acts 19:4, that John had merely baptized in the name of the coming Messiah, without identifying him with Jesus of Nazareth. The apostolic age supplied this , and the normal use during it seems to have been ‘into Christ identification Jesus’, or ‘in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ’ or ‘ of the Lord Jesus Christ.'”

    A Dictionary of the Bible
    by James Hastings
    Volume 1, page 241–1906 edition

    “Moreover, there is no mention in the New Testament of any one being baptized into the name of the Trinity.”

    A History of the Christian Church
    by Williston Walker
    page 87–1957 edition

    “With the early disciples generally baptism was ‘in the name of Jesus Christ.'”

    Encyclopaedia Biblica
    Volume 1, page 473–1899 edition
    under Formula

    “In the name of Jesus Christ or of the Lord Jesus. The former expression is used in Acts 2:38 and 10:48. The latter is used in Acts 8:16 and 19:5. See also Acts 22:16… From these passages, and from Paul’s words in the 1st Corinthians 1:13 (‘Was Paul crucified for you, or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?), it is natural to conclude that baptism was administered in the earliest times ‘in the name of Jesus Christ’, or that ‘of the Lord Jesus.’ This view is confirmed by the fact that the earliest forms of the baptismal confession appear to have been single–not triple, as was the later creed.”

    SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES

    Acts 2:38
    Acts 4:10-12
    Acts 8:16
    Acts 10;47,48
    Acts 19:3-6
    Acts 22:16
    Romans 6:1-4
    1st Corinthians 6:11
    Galatians 3:27

  10. BISHOP DANIEL G KABA / Jun 8 2009 3:31 pm

    pleas come to afrika and teach truth gospel welcome kenya

  11. David Whittem / Jun 10 2009 5:58 am

    You cannot possibly make a mistake by being Baptised in Jesus name!

    Jesus said in Mark1615 to 17 “…Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
    He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
    And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my nameshall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues.”
    John3:3-5″….except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God……..
    ……………..Except a manbe born of water and of spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

    In Baptism we are buried with Him, that is Jesus, so there can be no other Bible way of being Baptised other than in Jesus Name, it is that simple.

    God is moving in India I just returned from the Punjab where there has been a move near Ferozepor with healings and 30+ baptisms under the ministry of Rev Dr C.P. Thomas who leads an Indian Pentecostal movement known as Compassion of Agape.

  12. steve / Aug 15 2009 5:17 pm

    The following is a true record of a Baptism which took place in Rome A.D. 100 and was reproduced in TIME magazine, December 5, 1955.

    “The deacon raised his hand, and Publius Decius stepped through the baptistry door. Standing waist-deep in the pool was Marcus Vasca the woodseller. He was smiling as Publius waded into the pool beside him. ‘Credis?’ he asked. ‘Credo,’ responded Publius. ‘I believe that my salvation comes from Jesus the Christ, Who was crucified under Pontius Pilate. With Him I died that with Him I may have Eternal Life.’ Then he felt strong arms supporting him as he let himself fall backward into the pool, and heard Marcus’ voice in his ear —- ‘I baptize you in the Name of the Lord Jesus’ —- as the cold water closed over him.”
    Now I have heard every reason possible not to baptize in Jesus name from the thief on the cross (Baptism is into the death,burial, and rising of Christ-Rom6:4) to it was meant for only Jews (Then why did Cornelius an Italian gentile get baptized into Jesus name in Acts10:36-48?) to the disciples were disobedient to Mathew 28:19 (The father’s name was Jesus-John5:43 and the son was Jesus-Mathew1:21 and the Holy Spirit came in Jesus name-John14:26) but then why did the gifts,signs,and miracles follow on disobedient believers (As promised by Jesus to his followers in Luke24:45-47 and Mark16:15-17 then given in Acts2 onward?)-they would not of.

  13. steve / Aug 30 2009 6:17 am

    Ephesian 4:5 There is one Lord (Acts 10:36 Jesus) one faith (The faith once delivered to the early church, said Jude) and one baptism (In Jesus name alone; states Acts chapter 2-22 and nearly all of Paul’s letters.) If one trinitizes by baptism and another correctly uses the Apostles and Christ’s formula; (As he alone holds all saving and command power says Matthew 28:18, Acts 4:12, and Colossians 3:17) then that makes it two baptisms! My bible or Holy scriptural word only tells me of Jesus’ name being used in baptism! In the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established. Well; Paul, Peter, and Philip already proclaimed and established the one true Gospel which contains only baptism in Jesus name. In fact Jesus upbraids those who use his name in all things, except where it was needed the most in baptism. Read it in Matthew 7:21-27. Your house is either built of Christ Jesus ot the sands of traditions! Those who do not accept baptism in Jesus name will be seen as in their inquity and sin. These are the five non spirit filled virgins. Please do it God’s way. John 14:6 Jesus is the only way to God. he alone is the door. He is the wisdom and power of God. Why does Satan attack baptism in name of the Lord Jesus Christ so fiercely? He knows it saves us in 1 Peter 3:21 among many state this! Do not compromise. I want all to be saved. But we have to do it God’s way. He is the same always. so he changes not. We cannot have it our way like at Burger King. His way is narrow. 95% of all professing believers do not act in their faith. (Ja 2:15-26 and Hebrews 11:1-40) Abraham was counted as the friend of God because he showed his faith in action. John 14:15 and 15:14 states that we are the friends of God when we do as he wills. Mark 16:16, John 3:5, and Luke 24:47 say that he wills our faith to act upon the word. water alone saves nobody! It is his grace (Shown at Calvary says Hebrews 4:15 and 9:15-22) and our active faith that saves us, Ephesians 2:8-10. Repentance and hearing his word brings us to accept baptism in Jesus name as a real need in our lives (Acts 2:37-41). The hearers are not blessed, but the doers of the word are! All the world follows Justin Martyr’s baptism change in 145 AD; that is a false tradition!

  14. ANTHONY GORE / Sep 9 2009 8:36 pm

    I grew up UPC and my father was a preacher with this oganization , I have had the opportunity to hear ,learn and understand the message and doctrine of the UPC . Post obtaning an education ,learning of grace , I now understand the major twisting of the scipture that this organization does. A first year logic student and one with a limited understanding of GREEK , could see the weakness of this doctrine. Most of the ministers of this group are not educated, they attend a UPC , so called college and start spiting what they have been brain-washed to preach.

    If anyone would like to see if the upc message holds water,go to Youtube and watch the Dr Walter Martain debate.
    The church that I now attend has started a ministry to convert the UPC/ONENESS people. We have now changed the hearts of 75 and are working on more. When you show someone grace ,they see jesus,not guilt .
    The UPC group is a dangerous group and certainly not christain.

    • jesusblogger / Sep 10 2009 10:02 pm

      Interesting comments Anthony. I have grown up within a Oneness Pentecostal Church and am living in, by and through the Grace of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ daily.

      I don’t believe that the practise of baptism in the Name of the Lord Jesus, or the belief in One God compromise the grace of God.

      I did not grow up in the church you attended, so can not speak of your local, or organisational experience. I do believe that Pentecostal churches of both Oneness and Trinitarian persuasions have been prone to legalism, with an over focus on rules and regulations. I don’t believe our salvation is in what we do not do, but it is in more of what we do do (if that makes sense). Also, I don’t believe that you can convert someone from Bible truth to your persuasion… are you saying all Oneness believers do not know Jesus and are not saved?

  15. johnny jackson / Sep 11 2009 3:14 am

    Jesus is the name of God. The Holy Ghost is God. The Father is God. Jesus is God.

  16. johnny jackson / Sep 11 2009 3:32 am

    Are you afraid your sins would be remitted if you were to be baptized in Jesus name? Then, you would have to live right. God will not force you to be baptized in his name.

  17. Johnny / Feb 14 2010 2:01 pm

    Do not get baptized in the name of the one who hung and died on the cross for you. He was resurrected from the dead also. Do not allow anyone to baptize you in the only saving name (Jesus Christ) given to men for remission of sins. Don’t listen to those people who tell you the truth that the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is Jesus. One God who is the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost and his name is Jesus.
    Do what you want to do, it is your soul. The church is the bride of Christ. In Jewish practices, the betrothed always took on her future husband’s name before they were married. Baptism is a command and not a work. After all, you cannot baptize yourself – someone else baptizes you. If you were to baptize yourself, it would be a work. If I baptize you, you would be obeying a command by allowing me to do it.

  18. Joe / Apr 27 2010 4:32 am

    I believe the scriptures that baptism should be in ‘Jesus’ name. There is no confusion, no elimination of the Father or the Holy Spirit but the absolute manifestation of Father and Spirit in Jesus. Col 2:9; For in him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily,or in bodily form.
    Baptism is a matter of obedience. Not an option but a directive. And if we speak where the bible speaks and are silent where the bible is silent; Baptism of necessity be in Jesus’ name. There no other biblical examples of baptism for those seeking Christ or those to whom the word is being revealed.

    • tammy / Aug 16 2010 3:50 am

      In Matt 28;19 there were only 11 apostles there to hear what Jesus told them to do but on the day of Pentacost there were 12. I am not a oneness and I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit but just as the old bible speaks everything about God the New testament teaches us it became all about Jesus. People today are just like the people then they just can’t believe that God intended for it to be about his Son.

  19. Johannes / Jul 27 2010 7:15 pm

    Without baptism in Jesus Name your sins are not remitted. Its as simple as that, becasue baptism is for remission of sins, and Jesus has power to forgive sins. He is the Father revealed in heavenly, incorrupt and glorious flesh.

  20. Roger / Aug 13 2010 4:52 pm

    I have been baptized both ways, i grew up a trinitarian pentacostal and converted to a apostolic, I have been on both sides of the fence. I have seen the Gifts of the Spirit work in both churches in tremendous ways.

    Here is my 2 cents on the topic and has been much in my mind for awhile. When it comes to salvation or water baptism, is it the persons faith or is the words the baptizer speaks over you.

    according to phillip in order to be baptized you must beleieve with all your heart and soul and even Paul goes further into this Believing that Jesus is Lord Died for you and was raised by God, For we believe in our hearts unto rightousness and confession with the mouth is made to salvation.

    So i would have you ponder on this thought, Ananias told Paul to arise and be baptized and wash away (YOUR) sins Calling on the Name of the Lord.

    I believe it has everything todo with whom the person being baptised is calling on and not what the name of the baptizer is evoking.

    also ephesians 4:5 One Lord One faith One baptism, That baptism is the Holy Spirit, with out the Holy Spirit your not of God, doesnt matter how you have been baptized. The Holy Spirit is the seal unto the day of Redemption and is the Kingdom of God living in you.

    even the samaritans who were baptized had not yet recieved the kingdom of God at there baptism, they recieved it when Peter and John came.

    Both churches trinitarians and apostolics both say this line, Upon your proffesion of faith I know baptize you.

  21. Marijo Schneider / Mar 2 2011 9:55 pm

    I am earnestly seeking. I cannot see in scripture that everyone born of the Holy Spirit speaks in tongues. What are your thoughts?

    • Nick / Mar 2 2011 10:45 pm

      God bless you! Have you looked at Acts 2:4 it says that “they all spake with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance”, also when you read Acts 10 you also notice that the Holy Spirit fell on all of the household and they all spake with tongues and glorified God.

      Stay strong and keep on believing! But, try to focus on seeking the infilling of God’s Spirit rather than to speak in tongues, it’s a subtle difference but if you seek after God He will fill you and then tongues will naturally follow.

      Be blessed!

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